Tough Tilt Tricopter Build

by FliteTest | March 4, 2015 | (12) Posted in How To

When we released the Electrohub we always had a Tricopter setup in mind. We just needed one more piece to put the puzzle together and that was the Tough Tilt.

Now that it's here, we can finally make that dream a reality! If you are interested in living that dream with us, grab yourself a kit and follow along. 

Another HUGE win for us here is that we can finally offer electronics packs directly from our store! 

When you are picking up your kit you can add the Power Pack from the same page. Don't forget your tail servo!

Once you have everything in order we can begin!

First we will assemble the Tough Tilt.

The Tough Tilt comes in three pieces: the base, the motor mount, and the pin.

Grab those pieces along with your tail servo. 

The servo arm looks like a small X but we only need one of the arms. Use some snips to remove any three. 

This will allow the servo arm to slide into the motor mount of the Tough Tilt. Do a quick test fit, and more than likely it will be too big to fit correctly.

Sand down the edges until it slides in easily. 

Once you get a nice fit we are going to lock it down. 

Drill a pilot hole through the farthest hole from the tip. 

Next trim down the securing screw. You DO NOT want this screw to be sticking out of the exit hole because it will catch on the base and cause binding once it's all together. 

Before you lock down the servo arm make sure to sandwith the servo screw between the arm and the mount with the threads showing. This is how you secure the servo to the mount.

Now you can secure the arm down with that trimmed screw. Again, double check that it's not poking out the exit but still secured well. 

When we eventually have the servo sitting in the base it needs to be flush. 

Trim off one of the mounting tabs and sand it flat. 

Before you mount make sure you also center your servo. If you need a cheap servo tester you can pick one up from our store!

Next insert the splines of the motor into the servo arm. Thread a screwdriver through the opposite end of the mount and tighten it down. 

There will be a tiny bit of the servo arm sticking up. You can trim that right off. 

Now we're going to attach the motor to the motor mount. This is pretty self explanitory. Just match the screw holes up and tighten down.

Be aware not to over tighten because this can shove the screw up into the motor itself and make for an unhappy tail motor!

This step is optional but if you would like to screw in the Tough Tilt base to the tail boom you should do that now. Make the end flush to the end of the boom.

This is just an aesthetic thing if you don't want to zip-tie the Tough Tilt. 

Last step for the Tough Tilt is to secure the motor mount to the base by threading the pin through both pieces and using a screwdriver to secure it in place!

Next we can start to work on the frame!

We will need to drill some pilot holes for the booms. Drill the first hole about 1/2 inch (1.27 cm) from the end of the boom and as close to the center as you can. Do this to all three booms. 

Thread a screw through the bottom plate of the Electrohub (the bottom plate has the power distribution pads) to help you find where to drill the second pilot hole. The photo above should help you for the tail boom. 

The holes to mount the front booms will be the closest to the larger holes as you can see in the example. Don't be fooled and measure the ones in the middle!

Then drill the additional pilot holes for the other two booms and thread screws through everything to friction fit it into place. 

You'll end up with something that looks like this!

Now we can mount the motors. For the two front motors we will be using the mounting discs. You'll make a nice sandwich that will look like:

MOTOR

disc

BOOM

disc

Secure this sandwich with two screws and repeat on the other front boom. 

The last motor to mount is the Tough Tilt itself!

If you didn't already bolt down the Tough Tilt here is where you will zip-tie it down to the tail boom. Two smaller zip ties towards the front and a larger zip tie in the back. 

Next we can hook up the E.S.C.s. 

The edge of the PCB board the Electrohub is cut from can sometimes bully wire casing. Thread the black wire under, then up through the larger hole to prevent it from rubbing against the edge over time. 

Trim the E.S.C. wires so they solder nice and clean to the power distribution plates. 

RED = Positive (+)

BLACK = Negative (-)

Don't do this backwards or you'll see some magic smoke when you power this up!

If you've never soldered before, check our Soldering Battery Connectors episode for some tips!

Repeat this for all 3 E.S.C.s. 

While the soldering tool is nice and hot we will also attach the battery connector. 

Again, make sure you are putting RED to positive (+) and BLACK to negative (-). 

While shooting the video we actually forgot to do this step :(

If you're wondering why the battery connector is unreasonably absent from the rest of the build pictures, it's because we're only humans. 

If you are interested in building the Dragonfly setup Josh flew in the review video you'll want to do that now.

All you'll need is two extra booms, motors, E.S.C.s, and Y-connectors. 

Mount the two extra booms 90° to the tail. The booms and E.S.C.s are all secured the exact same way as the others. 

When making your connections, attach the right two motors with a Y-connector and the same with the left just as you see above. 

The only really quirky thing is these additional motors are mounted upside down. This way the props don't collide with the upright motors and still provide additional power and control because of their position on the CG (Center of Gravity). 

This setup is totally optional but worth the little bit of extra work! 

Wether you are now working on the Tricopter setup or the Dragon fly setup the remainder of the steps will be the same. 

To mount the top plate, run all your connection wires up through the center hole and line up the screws. 

Make sure you check to see if any of the wires are being pinched by the booms and the top plate. Needless to say, this is bad!

Once everything is sitting well, secure the whole assembly with nuts. 

Now we can mount the flight control board. Eric designed this awesome little platform for it to rest on. There will be some foam tape in your kit and this will do two things. It will help raise the platform a little more so you can tuck all your wires nice and neat underneath and it also provides a bit of vibration dampening. 

Cut a piece to stick the board to the wood and two smaller pieces for the "feet" that will stick to the Electrohub. 

We trust the tape to hold and we are merely using the screws you see above for alignment. You can bolt this down if you wish. 

All flight control boards are different and make sure you check your user manual for this step, but now you will connect your E.S.C. wires to the control board.

We are using the Naze 32 for this build, and if you want to see exactly how we set this up for our Tricopter you can watch our Naze 32 Board Setup episode. 

The last bit of electronics to hook up is the receiver. Here we are using a breakout cable to make the connections super simple. 

The landing gear can be zip-tied on at this point. If you look at the picture you can see they are tied so the connections from the motor to the E.S.C. are still loose. More on that later. 

The antennas should always be at a 90° from each other to give you max reception. We taped one towards the front and, you can't see it here but, the other is routed straight down out of one of the small holes in the Electrohub. 

To hold our battery we will thread two pieces of velcro through the larger holes towards the front and back. 

These will strong arm the battery nice and tight to the Tricopter. The battery is what will ultimately determine your CG so if your Tricopter seems off balance, adjust your battery. 

We are using a 2200mAh 3S battery but you can go up to a 3000mAh 4S. 

Depending on your control board you will need to follow unique procedures to get your radio imputing the proper controls. Again check out the Naze 32 Board Setup episode for more.

We are almost there! The last step is to make sure our connections are working properly. Plug in your battery and put some kind of marker on your motor that will help you see which way it's spinning. You can make a little flag out of tape, a piece of paper, or a little leftover plastic bag. 

DO NOT DO THIS STEP WITH YOUR PROPS ON!

Nothing ruins a build faster than a surprise trip to the emergency room!

The cool thing about tricopters is they can fly with the motors spinning conventionally (all counter-clockwise).

Secure the props to the motors ONLY AFTER you have all the motors spinning the correct way and you're ready to take it outside. 

As far as tuning your P.I.D. settings for our builds, we are trying something a little new.

At the writing of this article it is still under development but we will soon be launching a new page on the site called Setups. 

You'll be able to find it at flitetest.com/setups and it will contain the settings that are important to get the best performance out of our multirotors and matched electronics. 

 

We hope that you enjoy your Tricopter setup!

If you are a beginner and nervous about your first flight, have no fear! You can check out the How To Fly a Multirotor episode and Alex has your back! 

If you guys have any questions, concerns, jokes, or strong opinions about why tri's are better/worse/the best/the worst multirotors, we want to hear from you! Be sure to leave a comment below.


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COMMENTS

spastickitten on March 4, 2015
Do you think that 1000 kv 2830 motors would be too much for this? I was given some by a person at cfl fpv and I want to use them for this. Would a 1047 or 1045 prop be good, and what would be the best escs for them on this setup. Also if you are the person who gave them to me I forgot the website... modified rc? mod rc? I don't remember
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elf128 on March 6, 2015
I'm not an expert, but as far as I know, that will not be the most efficient setup. 1000kV will have tendency to spin too fast for 10" prop and will drain extra current. It's better to trade rpm into torque by using 750-850kV motor, especially if you're considering 4S battery. 1000kV work's better with 9" and low load.
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spastickitten on March 6, 2015
What esc do you think would be good on 947s on a 3 cell
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elf128 on March 20, 2015
18A should be fine.
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canuck on March 4, 2015
As always great job guys. This is really making me look at building a tricopter. You cover all the relevant subject matter and keep it interesting and lighthearted at the same time. Hope shipping to the great white north is not a problem. :-)
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Ano Pilot on March 5, 2015
Absolutely brilliant. My only thoughts are: I don't think that you should ever show people hand-held drilling, someone is bound to run a bit into their hand, I'm a pianist and would NEVER risk it; looking in the store it seemed that power packs trended towards smaller sizes (yes/no?) and I would like to build a heavy lifter; and, adding it all up, this type of project is starting to involve 'real' money, yes good value for what it is BUT let's not abandon Josh's heartwarming frugality.
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iflyoften on March 5, 2015
Always wanted to try a multirotor and this looks like a possibility.
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MOcchionero on March 5, 2015
Thank you for putting this together. I have been wanting to expand my capability from just buying RTF solutions which are limiting. Also I really appreciate your insights as to the various solutions and capabilities for the different airframes. Keep up the good work. I will be starting on my electrohub tricopter as soon as it is delivered (and I get all the other pieces too). Appreciate your assembling the power packs too!
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batutaba on March 5, 2015
always to think to start a multicopter. but on my place a tricopter is unpopular subject if it compare to quadcopter. this article and another scracth build always save me. not sure if i order this kit it will come fast on my country. lol. but thanks for information
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pete236 on March 5, 2015
Looks like a winner!
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ishoottv on March 5, 2015
Great job guys! I love watching and your videos are very informative and keeps my in this hobby!
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Beardman on March 5, 2015
Great work! The dragonfly looks awesome in the air, especially with the gimbal from horizon :)
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lusid666 on March 5, 2015
I would still like to see you guys do a quad with edf's instead of props :)
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vishal on March 5, 2015
how do we fly it?

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FliteTest on March 5, 2015
:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6btEFJJD4_o
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RickN on March 5, 2015
I think I'm finally going to make a multi-rotor. My initial exposure was with Hubsans and, frankly, I went sour on that idea rather quickly. Had 3 or 4 and was having a lot of issues with them. Never did get comfortable flying one.
But, I've moved up in knowledge and realize that the cheap products are not a good representation of multi-rotors- at all.
Now I look at these FT projects and I think... why not try multis again ? I can save up a few hundred and build one.
Doggone FT.. making me spend all my money like this !!
Love you guys !
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Lmontanez on March 6, 2015
Absolutely brilliant.
I going to build it up. Thanks
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samrobins2958 on March 7, 2015
Has Anyone come up with any rough pids yet? mine are hoorrrrriiibllleee!
thaks
-sam
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paxony on March 31, 2015
YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME !!! but i wanted to say you to put .stl files in the description for people that has 3d printers can print them (sorry for my english i'm spanish ) BUT YOU ARE THE BEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD GOODBYE
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doc_mat on April 4, 2015
Every time I go to the online store, the power packs are sold out! :-( All I really need right now is the hub, tilt, props, bullet connectors and battery connect wire though...
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lpinho on April 11, 2015
Hi, I noticed that you used ESC with BL Heli instead of SimonK, do you recommend one over the other? Or you were just trying something different?

Thanks for existing and thanks for a great video :)
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MOcchionero on April 17, 2015
A few questions and comments from a somewhat experienced quad copter pilot on (factory built units).

I am waiting your set ups. Today this link is still showing "coming soon".

I was wondering if you also could give some set up information on a KK 2.1.5 out of the box (ie without flashing)? I find the whole flashing of software a bit daunting. This is why I went with this controller board because I thought I could program it to get more stable flight. Or could you recommend another controller that would be simpler to setup out of the box?

Don't get me wrong I am flying it, but it is still a little bit too loose. Also the throttle control is a bit touchy for me today, I do not have many very soft landings.

I would like to fly this with the stabilization control until I and more confident in my control without stabilization.

Furthermore is it necessary to flash the BLHeli ESC out of the bag? Again I find this need to flash software a bit daunting. Also could you comment on how to calibrate these ESC's? Or is this as simple as you state in the electronic set up video?

The servo is a digital servo for the tilt mechanism. Are there special settings or considerations for a digital servo versus analog?

I really enjoyed the show and everything that you guys try and do. I may be putting this try copter on the shelf for a bit so that I can back up a bit and try something more simple in the electronics setup as the FT Mini Trainer.

Thanks
Floyd The Owl


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MOcchionero on April 24, 2015
All is good. I got my USGasp programmer, and flashed the KK to the Stevies version. I used David Windestäl's recipe as described in the following video.
http://youtu.be/UZ4AaI6KPhA

It flies better than expected. On rails, wit a cool swooshieness!
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Mustang9455 on June 8, 2015
Since you are an experienced multirotor pilot, I have a few questions. First, where do I put the battery connector? All of the ESCs were soldered down. Also, what kind of receiver will I need? Will a normal spektrum 4 channel work fine?

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Black_Magic on April 20, 2015
Got my kit today - will be running a Navio+ and Odroid-C1 or Rasp PI 2 on it for flight control.
Can't wait to get things together!
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Troy117 on April 28, 2015
When will the PID setups page be complete? I am new to flying and I think I need to change my PID settings so that everything is less sensitive. I hope that will help me fly my tough tilt better and crash less.
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TurboNinjaStix on April 29, 2015
I've been tinkering off and on with my tough tilt batbone tricopter for two months now. The build and programming are all done but I simply cannot get the motors to arm. It's the last thing I need to get this thing off the ground! Neither the default rudder method nor the arming switch method (as described in your naze 32 video) work for me. I calibrated the ESC's and even tried "set disarm_kill_switch=0" in the CLI, but no luck. I'm running naze32 acro, Cleanflight, and your FT Quadcopter Power Pack and meticulously followed your tricopter and naze32 set up and build videos. Also, as a side criticism about the quadcopter power pack , the color coded spinner caps for the motors go the same way. In other words, the red ones tighten the same way and the black ones tighten the same way, so in order to have them "self-tighten", you would have to mount them diagonally from each other (on a quad), thus defeating the purpose of having two red or black in front for quads or tris. If you mount both red in front and one runs CW and the CCW, one could spin off, with Loc-tite or not. Please offer colored spinners in both left thread and right thread, please.
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TurboNinjaStix on April 29, 2015
Actually, I've tried setting the disarm kill switch to both 1 for using an arming switch as well as 0 for rudder stick arming. Neither work. 😕
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thaney423 on April 29, 2015
I had the same issue with arming I ended up chamging my throttle end points to -125 and 125 respectivly... havent had that issue again!
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thaney423 on April 29, 2015
I just finished my build of the toughtilt tricopter and Im stumped. When I take off no matter the mode the copter spins uncontrolably. I can see the tail servo trying to correct, its as of it cant keep up! I used the naze 32 board. Motor rotation and props are correct. All connections are correct. I tried reversing the #3 motor and changed the prop to a R prop, Ive wiped the board and went through the set up 3 times to no avail. Please any idea before I rip whats left of my hair out! Thanks guys!
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mycombs on June 11, 2015
Possibly you'll need to reverse your servo. To copy/paste from the forums:
To diagnose this, you only need to look at what direction the motor moves when you manually shake the copter tail back and forth.
If the motor leans away from the movement, like you are pulling the boom out from under the motor, then you are good. If the motor leans into the movement, then you are in for a positive feedback loop and a bad time.
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diabolino on June 4, 2015
Hello,
i just finished my build, i bought all that gear from you.....well at least, what was availlable.
So, i have a exact copy. The only difference: Tilted arms, as Eric recommends.
I went to the field and have the same problem like "thaney423". The servo tilts wild and corrects more than there is to correct. Unflieable!
And i have some quads with naze32 and flip32, all running nice out of the box.
So i figure, i need the settings you were talking about for tilted arms. I go to the link you tell us to do and whooop....NOTHING!
Don´t get me wrong, i´m a big fan of you, but i relied on your word! And now i´m pissed!!!
Just put some screenshots up or anything please! It´s not just me, having these problems!
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Mostly Harmless on June 6, 2015
Like diabolino and thaney423, I also suffered from a spinning 'copter (but a Dragonfly, in my case). No matter what I did, the machine would whirl madly, with no hope of ever controlling it.

Examining the behavior of the rear servo while holding it and yawing the 'copter (with blades removed, of course), I noticed some odd behavior. Instead of countering the yaw I was imparting on the airframe, the servo was tilting to actually reinforce it -- the more it turned on the vertical axis, the more the servo tilted to continue that movement. No wonder the machines spin out of control.

The fix? Pretty easy, actually. I don't know if Josh and Eric missed this step, or if this is a result of a later version of the Naze firmware. The solution lies in the Servos tab on the CleanFlight configurator.

At the lower left, observe the Gyroscope/Accelerometer Direction box. There should be only one item for tri-copters. Set this to "Reverse" and then save.

Note that the very latest Naze firmware (1.9.0, dated 2 June) has a bug that does not allow you to select and save this setting. Thus, you will have to use the previous version (1.8.1 dated 17 May). Once you have this setting, you should be up and running, although the default PID settings result in twitchy behavior.

Here's my first extended flight of my Dragonfly....

http://youtu.be/x69X9ai3LEQ

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Mostly Harmless on June 6, 2015
Check this thread... we're not the first to deal with this. ;)

http://forum.flitetest.com/showthread.php?10182-Tricopter-yaw-servo-thing-problem/page2

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Mustang9455 on June 8, 2015
Can someone help me? I am thinking of buying this kit, but don't understand some things. Can I use a normal 4 channel receiver like planes, or do I need a special multirotor one? Also, where do I put the battery connector? All of the ESCs are already soldered. Thanks for any help, and happy flying!!
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mycombs on June 11, 2015
I bought a 6-channel receiver/transmitter from FlySky. It works for airplanes and copters! I believe and receiver/TX will work: it's just sending electronic signals back and forth, you connect to whatever electronic you like.
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mycombs on June 11, 2015
Also, the electro hub is where everything is soldered and connected: ESCs and battery connector.
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Mostly Harmless on June 16, 2015
Any receiver will work, but I recommend at least a 6 channel radio. Four channels are needed for roll (ailerons), pitch (elevator), yaw (rudder), and throttle. Additionally, additional channels are used for supplemental functions:

1 channel to "arm" the motors (a very important safety feature -- you want to be able to ensure that the motors don't turn on until you're absolutely ready).

Another channel to control settings in flight (such as changing modes as seen in the Naze 32 Setup video linked above).

If you have more channels, these can be used for additional functions (such as camera gimbal control), but that's pretty advanced stuff to start with.

I'm also using the FlySky FS-T6 mentioned by mycombs for this as well as my fixed wing aircraft. It's served me well, but I think I'll transition to the Turnigy 9x for just a few $ more.
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mycombs on June 11, 2015
Guys: you're killing me with the missing set-ups page! I built this tricopter by following your directions, and assembly was well-explained. But that turns out to be the easy part! When I actually try to fly this thing, it's terrible. We really need the set-ups for the tricopter in this video: you're leaving a lot of us in the lurch, wondering why it won't fly the way it does in your video.

Caveat emptor: they have yet to finish the page promised in the video, and you're going to have a difficult time flying without it.
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Mostly Harmless on June 16, 2015
Don't get discouraged... It took me a bit of experimenting, but I have my Dragonfly working pretty well (still tuning, but making progress).

First of all, start with the Naze 32 Board Setup link shown above. This tells you how to connect with, update, and modify the settings on your board.

Be aware that a few crucial details were left out of the Naze setup video (either through a slight oversight, or more likely because the Naze firmware that was in use when the video was made is different from the latest version). Once you correct these, you should be in good shape to have a reasonably stable flight.

First: Josh and Eric recommend downloading the latest Naze firmware. This may have been good advice when the video was made, but I encountered a problem with the NEW latest firmware (1.9.0 dated 2 June 2015). This has a minor bug that keeps you from saving an important setting (also not discussed in the video). Use the previous version (1.8.1 dated 17 May 2015). Which leads me to...

Second: The default settings incorrectly yaw the servo to control yaw. Instead of pivoting to counteract any yaw in your copter, it actually pivots to reinforce it -- and you'll get it spinning out of control. To correct this, go to the Servos tab in the CleanFlight configurator. Find the Gyroscope/Accelerometer Direction box and select "Reversed" next to the Yaw servo entry. Then save (always save... save early and save often).

I found Version 1.8.1's default PID settings adequate to fly, but the P settings had to be dialed down for my machine (your mileage may vary).

Of course, everyone's machine and flying habits can differ... And, a new Naze firmware version may be issued at any time. But these changes should get you going.

PM me if you have any questions.... I am by no means an expert. In fact, it was only a couple of weeks ago that I was where you are now. A little observation of the machine's behavior and a bit of research yielded the answers I needed. I'm still tuning/tweaking the settings as well as learning how to control this beast. But it will fly... and fly well,

Good luck!
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chucksheputa on July 29, 2015
I had the same problem with version 1.9.0 and was convinced it was something I had messed up because it was my first copter build of any kind. (A birthday and Fathers Day present from my son. Thanks Kaz. You rock.) I could tell the yaw setting was reversed but it would not let me change it. I don't even know how I thought of trying an earlier version of the software, but after a wasted weekend I finally got it flying. I wish Flite Test would chime in and let people know about the bug. Also, does anyone know how to tell cleanflight there is a bug? I am new to this and don't know myself.
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Mostly Harmless on July 29, 2015
Flite Test did chime in... in a manner of speaking. FT is more than just the faces we see on the videos. In a sense, we're all part of the FT community, working together to exchange ideas and knowledge. Josh, Alex, Peter, et al., can't do it all, so we all have to pitch in and share our experiences and insights. I've picked up so much through not just the articles, but also the comments and replies here and in the forums. Anything I can add is but a small repayment for what I've gained.

The more of us that kick in our experience, the more we all benefit.
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Golf on July 17, 2015
What size prop do you use with a 4s battery
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ddcook07 on July 22, 2015
Mostly harmless, I need to thank you so much for pointing out the bug in the latest version of cleanflight! If you lived close by, I'd buy you a beer and a steak dinner!!!
After using the former version, my FT tricopter finally works!!!
Thanks again,

DDCook07
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Mostly Harmless on July 29, 2015
My pleasure. After a year of soaking up info from FT articles, forums and comments, I'm glad to be able to provide at least one small bit of useful info in return.
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Lennart228 on October 19, 2015
When building the dragonfly could you use all cw rotating motors, since two of them are upside down?
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zbaron19 on January 1, 2016
I am debating on buying this. Could I use a rail system that is in the store. Also how would (could I) attach either a board camera or a gopro?
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staffordrau on December 19, 2016
I just started building a dragonfly kit. One note for the FT store folks - the BLHeli ESCs that were included with the power pack D have XT60 connectors, and when I cut them off I'm just a bit short on wire length to make it to the power pads. I'll need to solder/splice an extra length of wire for each lead.

Not a horrible problem, but a bit of extra hassle. I'm definitely looking forward to flying it.
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