CHALLENGES OF THE SWAPPABLE FT DELTA

by ChandlerRC | March 14, 2017 | (6) Posted in Reviews

First, let's be clear:  I love Flite Test.  I love their education mission, their personalities, and their passion to bring RC flight into reach of us wannabe fliers who aren’t made of money.

But their FT Delta, the third in the original Swappable Series, is a harsh schoolmaster.  If it had been my first plane, there wouldn't have been a second.  Heck, if it had been my third plane, I would have thrown in the towel.  (Fortunately, I was pretty rough on planes in the early days, so sometimes I flew a new FT Flyer every week.)

This isn't a criticism.  I'm offering one man's experience to new Delta fliers so you can be successful faster than I was.

Some have enjoyed glowing success with the Delta and even posted YouTube videos of beautiful first flights, like this young man at FliteReview.

 

I suspect a bunch of others didn't do so well.  I didn't.

It took me months to get the Delta off the ground.  So, if you bit off more of the Delta than you could chew, or if you're considering it as your next plane, read on.  

The Delta looks cool with its swept wing and fighter-jet twin tail!  But it introduces a pile of new aircraft features all at once.  Elevons, elevon mixing and trimming, delta wing, Kline-Fogleman (KF) step airfoil, and a challenging center-of-gravity (CG).  It also introduces the first time most of us launch without a rudder.  Plus, oddly enough, there's no tail-dragger skeg, another first.

 

STRIKE ONE

My first Delta was a stock speed-build kit from Flite Test.  After watching Josh Bixler's efforless takeoff in his Delta review video, I thought I knew what to expect.

I was wrong.  I could hardly get the plane off the ground.  The plane would ground loop violently or else get off the ground a foot or two and immediately yaw left into a nose plant.  Pretty much like this guy at We Crash Stuff.

 

The transmitter stick moved the elevons just fine, but didn’t affect the Delta’s behavior.  Granted, elevons are inherently ineffective until you're airborne.  It was frustrating.  Most YouTube pilots just revert to hand launching, and maybe that's the answer.  But I'm stubborn.  If it could be ground launched, I wanted to find out how.

The lack of tail-dragger skeg and the rearward CG meant the elevons and battery were dragging the ground.  That wasn’t pretty, either.

 

DIVIDE AND CONQUER

Since I wasn’t successful – nor having much fun – with the Delta, I decided to break the problem into smaller pieces to solve.  I built and flew an FT Flyer with a KF-step airfoil and ailerons to see what kind of lift and stall characteristics I should expect from a KF.  That plane introduced me to a poor CG (my own fault entirely), how to recognize it, and how to wrestle it back to the ground in one piece. 

I built and flew a Nutball with elevons to learn about those and how to trim them.  The Nutball taught me that elevons without a rudder leave me at the mercy of any disturbance – wind, thrust angle, or imperfections of the landing gear or runway – to cause ground loops during takeoff.

 

TRY, TRY AGAIN

Armed with that experience, I built another Delta, but this time with dual rudders and a tail-dragger skeg to protect the butt end of the plane and rear-slung battery.  Here's the template:  Delta revised rudder template.

 

The rudder servo is mounted fore and above the elevon servos.  The foam board mezzanine combined with the rudder control horns mounted well above the elevon horns prevents the control rods from interfering.  Plus, the clearance allows screwdriver adjustments of the elevon pushrod stoppers.

 

[Photo by Patrick Baldwin]

 

The tail-dragger skegs lift the power pod off the ground about an inch.  That's enough to keep the battery and the elevons off the ground.

 

They're angled inboard to give the vertical stabilizers their catchy outboard slant, but not so much as to jam the power pod.  (Yes, I name each of my batteries.  Meet battery "I".)

 

I glue a piece of gift card to the outboard side of the skegs for strength.  The "V" notch in the leading edge gives clearance and support for the BBQ skewer that anchors the rear of the power pod to the wing.

 

The gift card extends upward about an inch and a half on the vertical stabilizers to reinforce their attachment to the wing, too. 

 

Even so, sometimes it took me 30 minutes and a dozen tries to get the plane off the ground.  But I eventually succeeded.

 

TAMING THE BRONCHO

Once aloft, I found the Delta to be twitchy and random, even prone to uncommanded 360-degree rolls on occasion.  I flew it, but it wasn't much fun.  It was like riding a rodeo broncho!  Trimming was a joke as the Delta wasn't the same plane from one moment to the next.  It was like something was throwing in random elevon movements. 

Come to find out, that's exactly what was happening.  The culprit was play in the control linkages.  The control rod was loose in the control horn hole, and it didn't take much elevon flutter to throw that Delta around the sky like a wild thing.  Its high speed magnifies the effect of even the smallest elevon wiggle.

I tamed it by taking up the slack in the control horn hole.  A few inches of dental floss tape wrapped around the Z-bend wire filled the space and calmed the broncho.

 

Give yourself every advantage when trying the Delta.  Add the shown rudders and tail-dragger skegs.  You can still go "commando" and ignore the rudders, if you like.  But they're there if you need them.  It still may be challenging to get off the ground, but you’ll have a fighting chance.  Also, firm up the control linkages to remove the rodeo-like behavior I experienced.

Or you may want to break up the problem like I did to learn the features of the Delta piece at a time.  The FT Flyer and Nutball are good testbeds to experiment, first.

Either way, you may just save yourself some frustration, some discouragement, and some unkind words spoken in anger.  If so, you'll be miles ahead of me.

-- Mike

COMMENTS

Vagabond on May 11, 2017
I am looking forward to the day of being able to fly the prototype in the pictures. I know that I am not yet ready for this as I am still learning and crashing more often than I would like. It is really great to have someone like Mike as mentor in this hobby.
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ChandlerRC on May 11, 2017
Vagabond,

The FT Delta will elevate (no pun intended) your flying skills, but only if it doesn't make you quit flying in frustration. When it's time, I expect you'll enjoy the experience. But mastering "wings level, wheel side down" landings is enough fun for now!

Enjoy this heady time of beginner flight! And remember the month you started so you recognize your anniversaries each year. More on that later.

Anticipate! Create! Aviate!

-- Mike

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zac.bauer1 on May 17, 2017
I found the delta wing easier to fly with a 1800kv motor and a 5x3 prop which you would have to punch the throttle to get it airborne and come in fast to land. (Just like my flap less war birds.)
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ChandlerRC on May 17, 2017
zac.bauer1,

What does the smaller, higher-speed prop do for you on the Delta? How is it easier to fly? I'm curious.

-- Mike

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zac.bauer1 on May 18, 2017
The smaller prop reduced the torque roll plus gets the plane quicker to flying speed reducing the amount of time where you have minimal control. Or at least it seems to help compared to the recommend props.
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ChandlerRC on May 18, 2017
That makes a heap of sense, zac.bauer1! I'll have to try that on some of my other planes. Thanks!

-- Mike


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TimBrownlaw on June 20, 2018
I've just scratch built one and finally took it out for it's maiden this evening... and all that weird stuff happened... Gave to my son to fly and he being a little more "Let her rip" got it up but it was a little twitchy due to the poor way I had it setup on TX... So now I have a much clearer understanding of whats going on... I'll get it flying one way or another... Built it out of local foam board (Kmart here in Australia) and it certainly stood up well with all the unscheduled hard landings... and prop savers work well too bless their little hearts :)

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ChandlerRC on July 26, 2018
Tim, I hope my article reassured you that you weren't alone in your frustrating first attempts. I struggled with lots of self-doubt when "everyone else" could successfully fly it, but I couldn't.

Every failure is an opportunity to learn and start over. I hope you and your son made it work. At the least, to taste such a plane and decide whether it's something you want to invest yourself into to learn to fly.

Thanks for letting me know how it went for you.

Winter should be wrapping up soon for you. Here in the American Southwest Desert it was 114 degF (45C) yesterday. Come on cooler weather!!!

-- Mike

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dlggliders on April 27, 2018
if you dont fail, you will never succeed, well done mate
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2Nigma on August 30, 2017
Mike,

My FT Delta did not take off land as yours. Have you ever tried ventral fin to make plane more stable? Some people said it will be better, and I wonder if someone tried it with this plane.

- Phill
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ChandlerRC on August 30, 2017
Phill,

Haven't tried a ventral fin. Interesting idea. How would that work with the tail-dragger design? If you see someone's design, please point me to it.

I would think the double dorsal fins would be sufficient, given adequate airspeed. Together, they equal about 20% of the wing area. That's twice as much as the FT Flyer or Nutball use. And those are plenty stable.

It seems to me a ventral fin would only be useful if the Delta's angle of attack was too high, thus starving the dorsal fins of airflow. In that case, a ventral fin would be in the clear, adding stability.

I'd be really interested to hear what you learn. Thanks!

-- Mike

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2Nigma on August 31, 2017
Dear Mike,

First of all, I'm not an expert on aerodynamics and I'm a really real beginner of RC plane. I experienced similar failure with my Delta and I googled a lot in order to find why it happened.

There is a corkscrew effect which causes left turning moment while propeller rotates at high speed but low forward speed such as takeoff and so on. The slipstream hit the tail fin and make plan turn left if your propeller rotates clockwise(when you look at it from the tail of a plane). If the vertical fin is placed under the body of a plane, the plane body will turn right because the wind will blow from right to left at the bottom of a plane.

http://www.faatest.com/books/FLT/Chapter17/CorkscrewEffect.htm

Some people say if there are ventral fins with ventral fins, vertical fins will cause left turn and ventral fins will cause right turn so as to make plane no turning.

Once I felt the wind along the vertical fins, I realized that the wind is not even for all sides of both vertical fins. So, I thought it made my Delta turn left while trying to lifting from a land. I don't know how to prevent such an uneven air flow, but I'll try it someday.

- Phill
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2Nigma on August 31, 2017
By the way, can you please tell me the weight of your Delta? I made my FT Delta with local foam board and it looks like much heavier than other people are using. My plane is almost 280g without battery and 357g with battery.
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ChandlerRC on August 31, 2017
Phill,

Interesting research you've done. I appreciate the article on the corkscrew slipstream, commonly called "prop wash". I can see how a ventral fin might help cancel out the left-yaw from prop wash. I may try that on another design that has enough ground clearance for a fin beneath.

I suspect I was seeing the effect of prop torque, the counter-clockwise roll induced by the clockwise-turning prop.

There are two other bits of physics that come into play specifically on takeoff. They're P-factor and gyroscopic progression, both of which produce a yaw to the left.

http://members.localnet.com/~docsteve/av_files/P-factor.htm

Taking off is the most vulnerable moment of an aircraft, as demonstrated by this Delta. Lots of thrust, lots of torque, maximum drag from the ground, and minimum airspeed, and therefore minimum control. The stock Delta -- having no rudder to counter these left-turning effects -- is at the mercy of all these factors. In my experience, adding the rudder controls gave me a fighting chance to get into the air.

Unfortunately, I don't know how heavy mine was. (I have since given it to another pilot.) I built mine out of the standard Adams 3/16-inch thick foam board from Dollar Tree in the U.S. I've played with other, thicker, heavier foam boards, and have flown planes made from them. So, they work, but I've found the lighter the better. Of course, Phill, use what you have.

Thanks for the interesting ideas! This is fun. I'm not flying a Delta right now, though. I'm flying a Storch (my pickup truck in the air!) and enjoying dropping parachutes, releasing gliders (uncontrolled and RC-controlled), and plastic "bombs".

-- Mike

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2Nigma on September 1, 2017
Mike,

Thanks a lot for your kind explanation. I think I need a lot more failure and study. I hope you enjoy your flight. Thanks a lot.

- Phill
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CHALLENGES OF THE SWAPPABLE FT DELTA