If you own a drone, you must register it with the Federal Aviation Administration's Unmanned Aircraft System (UAS) registry. A federal law effective December 21, 2015 requires unmanned aircraft registration, and you are subject to civil and criminal penalties if you do not register.
FAQ
Do I need to register my hobby RC airplanes or "toy" quadcopters?
Yes. "Registration is a statutory requirement that applies to all aircraft. Under this rule, any owner of a small UAS who has previously operated an unmanned aircraft exclusively as a model aircraft prior to December 21, 2015, must register no later than February 19, 2016."
Any aircraft over 0.55 pounds and under 55 pounds qualifies and must be registered.
Do I have to register each of my RC aircraft separately?
No. For those of you who have dozen's of aircraft, you register once as a pilot you will receive a registration number that must be displayed on all of your aircraft. As a pilot you will need to give your name, home address and email address.
Does it cost?
Yes and no. There will be a $5 fee for registering that is good for 3 years. However as a big 30 day push from (from Dec. 21, 2015 to Jan 20, 2016) to get as many people as possible registered they will be "refunding" the $5 to anyone who registers in this time frame.
Well what if I don't?
"Failure to register an aircraft may result in regulatory and criminal sanctions. The FAA may assess civil penalties up to $27,500. Criminal penalties include fines of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment for up to three years."
Why is the FAA doing this now?
“We expect hundreds of thousands of model unmanned aircraft will be purchased this holiday season,” said FAA Administrator Huerta. “Registration gives us the opportunity to educate these new airspace users before they fly so they know the airspace rules and understand they are accountable to the public for flying responsibly.”
My Thoughts
There is obviously going to be some chaos with supposedly a million drones being sold this holiday season. However something that drone registration doesn't prevent is people doing really dumb things with their RC aircraft. All it does is mildly increases the chance of identifying and prosecuting someone who isn't aware of or doesn't care about the rules that keeps everyone safe.
I personally will be registering my aircraft when the registration site becomes available but like most other people who will be quick to register, I am one of the least likely offenders of established rules.
Though registration is one way to increase accountability, education is a better way to increase pilot competency. We hope to continue to educate the ever growing number of RC enthusiasts and hope we can keep counting on you guys to share the information.
REGISTRATION WEBSITE (Available Dec 21st)
Austin Furey
Flite Test Team Member
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It essentially is creating a database for RC pilots. That way if one crashes into the empire state building or at a NFL game, it is (in theory) easier to track down the perpetrator. That is if they themselves registered and put the number on their aircraft.... -Austin
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Imagine if 100000 drones staged a protest and made a large vertical wall in the sky. Large hanging LED signs that linked together to make a massive protest billboard in the sky. Imagine if thesee drones were autonomous... programmed to stage in certain locations not to present a safety hazard, but certainly to get a message across?
I am not suggesting anything here.... but that thought has crossed my mind in recent days.
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Drones dont fly into airliners, People do.
TangoLima, if you can dream it...... :-) .. wait, Im going to see star wars movie, nvm.."Luke, I am your Big Brother" (George Orwell, 1984)
miggy >Salute<
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14 CFR Part 91, 91-57A, 2120-AK82, DOT FAA 801, FDC NOTAM 4-3621, Summary of major provisions of proposed part 107, Notice of proposed rule making billing code 4910-13-p and FAA H8083-25A... Know the rules and the laws and become smarter and more prepared.
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Things NOT requiring registration with the US federal government: Scratch built Semi-Automatic Rifles
We are "governed" by imbeciles.
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How much is the FAA going to charge to check its new database? Will they protect our data more or less stringently than the OPM did the 21 million clearance and personnel records they let get hacked?
I have three theories:
1) The FAA feels it must "do something" and is more concerned by public perception than doing something smart. It is governance by Public Relations.
2) This is the first step in controlling and likely killing the hobby.
3) The FAA is staffed by unaccountable incompetent bureaucrats.
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2) FAA employees are not all knowing
3) I am an instrument rated pilot. IDK what size the billboard will be on someone's model aircraft will need to be for me to see it.
4) After a model aircraft goes through a prop or a turbine, that registration number is meaningless.
BTW, it costs $5 to register an airplane. :) Full sized that is.
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really, $5 to register a real, full sized airplane? (i wonder if that stops hijacking)
good point rich007 >cheers<
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Registration is not required for model aircraft operated solely for hobby or recreational purposes. Guidelines for responsible hobby and recreational operations are available at http://www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft/.
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I hope the website doesn't crash :o
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I plan to register as soon as registration opens on the 21st. To me the registration seems reasonable. But IMO its like alot of Gov't business...a poorly implemented and poorly managed waste of tax payer money.
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You are going to give the FAA your credit card?
I won't even give the AMA my credit card!
Do you know what hackers are?
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A. Only United States citizens can register their small UAS. The certificate serves as a certificate of ownership for non-citizens, not a registration certificate.
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So, I am sure illegals don't have consequences for not regristering.
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http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/
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or a dreamflite DLG ?? non motorized?
David Windistal said if he could keep only one discipline in R/C, it would be DLG
I think the same way.
also as an ultralight pilot, i could fly,and have,anyfreak'in where i want with no numbers or even registration, but i have to register like a sex offender,my 250 quadcopter?
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Q. If I only fly it indoors, do I have to register it?
A. No, the FAA does not regulate indoor UAS use.
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can we make rc flying part of the second amendment,because that is MF'in bullett proff
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Q. Is there a citizenship requirement?
A. Only United States citizens can register their small UAS. The certificate serves as a certificate of ownership for non-citizens, not a registration certificate.
So as a foreign visitor, one needs the certificate of ownership to be able to fly legally?
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I would be more likely to do this than to register Myself as a UAS pilot. Sorry FAA I would have coincided, until i saw there was going to be a fee. Doesn't anyone remember WWII? A simple Google search with two words in it will explain it all........... holocaust, tattoos ........... Nuff said!
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I'm pretty sure Germany didn't start down the road to fascism by requiring their entire population (including Aryans) to register their kites with the Luftwaffe, and I think it's a bit much to imply that this is somehow a step in that direction.
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A: Failure to register an aircraft may result in regulatory and criminal sanctions. The FAA may assess civil penalties up to $27,500. Criminal penalties include fines of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment for up to three years.
Enjoy that if you get caught, (granted that is unlikely) But I am sure flying fields will require it for you to fly there.
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Not just public spaces -- you can also be checked if flying in your front or back yard (even hovering a quad a few feet above the ground). Apparently, the FAA owns all airspace over the US from the ground up as part of the National Airspace System (NAS).
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More likely, what will happen is that local police will be told that "UAS's must be registered," without knowing or understanding the particulars. If they receive a complaint from a "concerned citizen," they will then approach a hobby pilot and demand to see the registration for a 1-ounce micro that does not have to be registered.
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A. No. Even if these things could be considered "drones" or "unmanned aircraft" and met the minimum weight threshold of 250 gm/0.55 lb., the registration rules also require that they be a part of an "unmanned aircraft system." An "unmanned aircraft system" includes the communication links and components that control the small unmanned aircraft along with all of the other elements needed to safely operate the drone. Paper airplanes, toy balloons, Frisbees, and similar items are not connected to such control system.
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- Weighs less than 254 pounds (115 kg) empty weight, excluding floats and safety devices
- Has a maximum fuel capacity of 5 U.S. gallons (19 L)
- Has a top speed of 55 knots (102 km/h; 63 mph) calibrated airspeed at full power in level flight
- Has a power-off stall speed of 24 knots (45 km/h; 28 mph) calibrated airspeed or less
But my FT Flyer, with an all-up weight of 267 grams does, or I face up to $277,500 and 3 years in prison???
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here http://goo.gl/2y2Fnh (the actual law)
and here http://goo.gl/zHcMvZ (the law but as text and easier to navigate)
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"§103.7 Certification and registration.
(a) Notwithstanding any other section pertaining to certification of aircraft or their parts or equipment, ultralight vehicles and their component parts and equipment are not required to meet the airworthiness certification standards specified for aircraft or to have certificates of airworthiness.
(b) Notwithstanding any other section pertaining to airman certification, operators of ultralight vehicles are not required to meet any aeronautical knowledge, age, or experience requirements to operate those vehicles or to have airman or medical certificates.
(c) Notwithstanding any other section pertaining to registration and marking of aircraft, ultralight vehicles are not required to be registered or to bear markings of any type."
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Idiots flying RC in controlled airspace is what drove this new rule.
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https://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/amateur_built_aircraft/
Though it doesn't explicitly imply that that's required, so I'm not sure.
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Oh, and I guess you are breaking the law if someone hands you their controller, since the pilot is not registered?
I might be somewhat annoyed, if you haven't noticed.
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I really struggle with the logic. Throughout the process we have been hearing about the "near miss" with full scale aircraft here or the "peeping tom" there. How is this registration going to change any of this? It seems that the group "government officials and industry leaders" working to draft this document was hijacked. The responsible (rule followers) who already recognize the responsibility inherent in tossing their model in the air will now be on a list. Those who break the rules will no doubt continue to ignore both the public and personal risks. I am disappointed that the AMA was not able to represent the needs of the community better. I will likely register however, I wish the AMA would push back with It's collective membership and say - "You Missed the Mark! Re-group and try again..."
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People flying into controlled airspace are already violating laws. No new laws are needed.
People flying into buildings are violating laws if they are trespassing or damaging the building. If it just bounces off, who cares?
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I am certain that this registry will be run as efficiently and flawlessly as voter registration...no ID required.
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out of the MILLONS that vote.
also unessasary.
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You can really get a sense of why societies and/or governments just sort of naturally die off or fall apart throughout history. How can any organization carry the continued weight of the thousands of new laws passed every year?
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I will not be registering for this BS for this reason and several others.
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This is a direct quote from page 32 of the IFR
Let's not get anymore paranoid than we need to and READ the rules before jumping to conclusions
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And I don't consider this to be paranoia, I consider it common sense thinking, some thing that the FAA and this government doesn't have or has had in a very long time.
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of our hobby i dont want to let FAA waste our time but do i register i dont want to be known as a person who gets the wrong attention for the hobby but this is a useless rule i dont want to support the let me know what to do please
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Big brother is alive and well. Money and who gets it .
If I didn't want my plane back or Feds at my door.
This an exercise in stupidity.
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I know it is a pain but I want to play by the rules so that we can keep on flying RC aircraft both fixed wing and rotor craft.
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Then something happens and the FAA gets involved and searches that number and guess what, it either doesn't come up in their database or it does and the "owner" is someone not even close to where the aircraft came down.
:rolleyes:
Then there is the problem of the database with our names, email accounts and addresses that will be hacked OR the media will use the Freedom of Information Act to get our names and the witch hunt will be on!
Got to love the US Gov...
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Furthermore, I expect that the registration process will eventually happen at the point of purchase, similar to full size aircraft or cars. This still won't catch everyone (scratch builds and mail-orders and second-hand purchases), but it makes it harder. Right now, a drone flying where it shouldn't be could just be an uneducated pilot, how is he supposed to know? With registration in place, it is a lot harder to claim ignorance (not that ignorance is a valid defense).
Furthermore, with the laws around drones likely to be continuing to change in the near future, registration provides a way for the FAA to provide updated information to everyone who needs it in a timely manner.
I think this is a good step forward, though I find the timing interesting (this late in the Christmas season). If I was an american, I would certainly register. It will be interesting to see if Canada follows suit, having just recently put a lot of effort into our own drone policies.
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Sooooo I still have a few questions:
1) What branch of the government / law enforcement will actually INTERPRET and enforce the new law? (Local police, FAA, DOT???), and HOW will it be enforced? (ticket, arrest, confiscation?)
2) Besides the $5 registration fee, how will this be funded? There has to be computer hardware, software, storage, maintenance, etc, etc, etc. I'm a computer geek by profession and I know that it will take ($$$$$$$$$$$$$).
3) How will this data be protected?
4) Will this data be shared with any other "alphabet" agencies? (DHS, FBI?)
5) If I have an accidental "fly-away" and someone finds my craft will I be subject to some possible penalties? (Loss of registration , Fines?)
6) I suddenly decide that I no longer want to fly ever again, how do I remove my info from the database?
7) Will the DOT (or FFA) be tasked with notifying me when my registration dues are up for renewal?
8) If I'm pulled over and the police discover an "unregistered-drone" in my car, can I be arrested or my craft be confiscated?
I think that this law is nothing but another "knee-jerk" reaction by the government that will only affect responsible, law-abiding, citizens. I am very disappointed in the AMA's ability to make our concerns heard. I think that as with any governing body we should consider replacing the current board members at our earliest opportunity. Again, just my opinion.
Anybody want to buy a drone that's had the serial number filed off? ;-).
JUST KIDDING!
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2. With money that could be more useful elsewhere.
3. Just as well as all the other data, of course. I think they're going to be using a contractor from the start. God help you if you have the same name as..(insert alleged bad guy's name here, occasionally including Senators from no fly list.)
4. I suspect it will be shared, but not effectively, just like a lot of other data.
5. Good question, but if so, enforcement will necessarily be arbitrary.
6. I doubt that, even if they try to remove it, that it will vanish from all the backup tapes.
7. I dunno.
8. I think they say "before flight". I would be very surprised if things developed this way. Unless they don't like you, of course.
This isn't too horrible unless they keep making it worse, but IMHO, it's all about the data. OTOH, there are already license plate cameras, GPS in our phones, etc.
I suspect the AMA was trying pretty hard, but the FAA has a history of being unreasonable fairly often, even to people and organizations with lots of money. It seems to me that this rule violates Congress's intent with the law they passed trying to keep the FAA's hands off our models. This FAA rule is bad for AMA, too. AMA says they haven't given up on redressing this.
I don't think this is about safety, or that it will affect safety at all. I think it's about data and a fig leaf for FAA. And maybe an attempt to set a precedent for expanded jurisdiction. I don't think it's about privacy, either. If so, they'd limit it to stuff with cameras. If it was about safety, they'd limit it to dangerous UAV's with navigational abilities and visual or navigational telemetry. There are some autonomous models sold which won't go more than, say, 2 kilometers from launch. Those should probably be exempted.
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further thought:
If this was about safety, shouldn't they register baseballs first? Getting hit by those is painful and rather common. Lots more kinetic energy in the air than most quad copters.
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It was once stated by an IRS officer that the IRS simply could not go after everyone all the time...and chose rather to go after 'examples' and publicize them ...of course after hefty , ridiculous fines.
When asked do they go after Joe Plumber...or blue collar workers etc.. answer was just occasionally ...as an example... Their (IRS) employees make tens of thousands of dollars by 'going downtown' and busting a big business on simply an 'interpretation' of a single law when going after 'Joe Plumber' would maybe net $500 taking the same amount of time and resources.
Its a 'Profit'...and that is exactly what they are looking to harvest.
IMHO... this is yet another invasion of privacy ...harvesting everyone's name and details on a 'data' list. ...and woe be unto the ones that get media or law attention as that would create the perfect ' example ' they could bust with a ridiculous fine...and publicize it greatly....scaring the servants into getting' registered'
Me... I'll just put an address label size sticker on all my batteries with AMA and really small...the new number. This way all my 50 plus planes will have a number in them,.,..
Now who wants to talk about a new 'NO FLY' list that surely will be down this path somewhere...
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Why go to the trouble of having to set up a new registration system when there is already one in place.
The AMA has all model pilots registration details and provides 3rd party insurance to its members and gives each pilot a membership number which should be attached clearly to the model.
If the rules had been made to insist that anyone flying or operating one of these models had to be registered with the AMA and carry their insurance then these details could be shared with the FAA and cut out much of the bureaucracy.
This would also have done much to improve the hobby for the serious modellers by bringing in extra revenue for the AMA which could have been used to improve facilities and venues for competition events, and also to possibly to improve the education of newbies coming into our magic hobby.
I wonder who dropped the ball on that idea?
Prop Driver
U.K.
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The push for this is coming from your friends, neighbors and family. Talk to your elected representatives (I have) and you'll find that they are getting hundreds if not thousands of calls and letters from people who are afraid that their neighbor's "drone" is taking away their right to privacy and endangering their lives. Push further and you'll probably find that you're the only person from the RC hobby world they've ever directly spoken to on the topic. A very vocal public is afraid - and they vote!
I actually find it remarkable that the Federal Government has reacted this quickly. Not what you'd expect from what is supposedly an inefficient bureaucracy. I suspect part of the thinking is that the FAA will be able to say "Look, we did something. Now let us get back to our real work."
What I find sad is that the public's fears are now more of a driving factor in FAA regulations than science and engineering.
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The public's fears are ALWAYS a driving factor if they reach a certain point. Those fears are being manipulated to sell news shows and politicians.
I suppose we should keep this in perspective when a leading presidential candidate advocates severely trashing first amendment rights, and isn't run out of town for it.
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And have you actually talked TO any lawmakers about this? I mean, do like I did, make appointments with them, drive 3 hours to your state capital, talk to them face to face about this topic? Give up a day of your time to defend something you're passionate about? Until you do, you have ZERO credibility on this topic. When you do, you'll find a very different story of why this is happening. There are way more than a "few" "nuts" complaining to our lawmakers.
I totally agree with you on one thing, most of us do the right thing. But 99% of America doesn't think so.
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they knew what was going to happen and made a cash cow with my $75.00 for "insurance",
that they are selling at BEST BUY along with their UAV's.
do you realize how much corruption this much money in the hands of a few guys from indiana could pay for?
the AMA is in tight with the feds,and raised our dues as a money grab for themselvs,with no intention of representing US!!
this is called BAD FAITH! ,a term in the legal world for disingenous money grubbers and scamming thieves!
i will niether enrole nor renew with the AMA or the fed's attempt at misdirected control of me!
i guess you can tell i am angry,but i can see right through this scam!
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aahh freedom!
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The FAA does not have the authority nor the resources to enforce this..... So just make up a registration number put it on your machine and fly away..
Nobody will know the difference...
And if you are worried about someone asking just create a fake ID....
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http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/258010-house-republican-calls-for-national-drone-registry
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Also you would have thought that one of these "mischief creators" would have made a posting on YouTube or Facebook, as often idiots do with their conquests.
The only ones who have created problems were White House staffers that try to fly when they were drunk!
It is a tax! No mistake it is a tax.
Bad guys never register. Good guys get taxed!
I am a good guy and I will register. But it I will tell you that the idiots out there will not. So I am being punished because of idiots.
I will register. But I will also take every opportunity to protest.
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I absolutely did write letters when the AMA asked it's membership to. Didn't do much good though. What I think had failed to sink in with some of the other members of my RC club is the fact that this new "drone" law applies to helo's and fixed-wing. The discussion at the last meeting was that it didn't or that we would be "grandfathered" in. I realize that I as an individual and we as AMA members can't do much to influence the decision maker's directly. BUT, we can influence the companies that our hobby supports. Take that shiny, new, (fill in the blank) RC craft under the tree back to the store for a refund and tell the companies why. Nobody's even mentioned the thought that maybe some of the "major companies" that are pushing for "drone-delivery" here in the US might not want us "amateurs" interfering with or crashing into their (future) "commercial" drones.
And, when was the last time a law stopped some nut-job from doing something stupid?
Exactly!
....End-Of-Rant.......
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Of course, anyone intent on flying like an idiot won't do that, either...
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REGISTRATION is the oldest Government Fraud in the book.
Before you register you are outside of Civil Law (Legal Fiction) Jurisdiction. When you REGISTER you have signed and paid for a CONTRACT with the Government. Once you have contracted with the Government you are Legally obligated to comply with the contract you just entered into. If you NEVER made a CONTRACT with the Government, the Government has no Authority to tell you what you can and can not do!
SO, if you want the Government in you shorts, go ahead and make a CONTRACT with the Government.
(By the way, this is exactly how Drivers Licenses work too.)
peace
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Step 2: Charge yearly license fees (tax) while preparing for step 3
Step 3: Ban - use step 1 as the address book to send agents
That's the formula!
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"Only individual recreational or hobby users who meet U.S. citizenship requirements are able to register their unmanned aircraft using this new streamlined web-based process."
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The government (FAA) deceives people or bullies people into doing what the government wants, not what the people want. What the government wants is power and control, and like the Second Amendment, the government wants your Guns and Drones!
When people REGISTER, they CONTRACT with the Government, and since you did not write the CONTRACT, it gives the Government what it wants, and deprives you and me of what we want.
FREEDOM, restrained by Personal Responsibility, NOT Government Regulations and FINES and PRISON.
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"Do you understand me?" is a very common method for getting people into CONTRACT. The Miranda Warning is a Virile CONTRACT, and Cops get people into it by asking if you "understand". When you agree to the contract, you EXIT Common Law and ENTER Admiralty or Civil Law. In Common Law the People have the power, in Civil Law the "Authorities" have the power.
peace
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I suspect one of the small planes cruising up and down the coast BELOW their 400' minimum called it in.
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Great Planes Extra 330SC 3mm Foam 3D EP ARF 32.5" <175gr>
Great Planes Rimfire 250 Outrunner Brushless Motor <20gr>
Great Planes ElectriFly LiPo 2S 7.4V 250mAh 20C <15gr>
Great Planes Silver Series 8A Brushless ESC 5V/1A BEC <11gr>
Three Futaba S3114 Micro High-Torque Servos <3 x 7.8gr = 23.4gr>
Total: 244.4gr.
This leaves 5.6gr for the APC 8x3.8 Slow Flyer Propeller.
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I am sure that there are alternatives to the items above that will allow one to build a plane that comes in below the 250gr limit.
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We need an NRA like body to regulate/lobby for our rights to play with our toys unfettered.
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I would like to thank the "Very Informed and Truthful Media" for blowing things out of proportion and scaring the miss-informed, sometimes really stupid public, about these so called dangerous weapons/surveillance aircraft, "DRONES" as they like to call them, instead of RC Models, which they have been called for so long, that the 99.999% of us are using for honest and safe recreation.
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So why am I reading the opposite here?
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I know I am rambling.
I am mad.
I now have to find some other recreation because I will not allow government to dictate to me these things. Not for 5 dollars and not for free it is wrong at any price and guys the price is much higher than anyone knows at this time.
This is just the start by time its over we will be so taxed, monitored and invaded that it will not be worth flying. Sorry but this is my two cents worth. I hope someone listens.
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If you're reading this, that means you care and are already aware of the dangers of flight. Should be a piece of cake for us to get a license.
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A. Federal law allows an individual citizen of another country who has been lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States under the regulations of the Department of Homeland Security to register an aircraft, including a drone, with the FAA."
So here's the thing. I live here, but technically I'm a "non-resident alien". Which makes me not a resident.
Why is this so complicated?
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Josh,you were right!
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Hunting and fishing licenses (also a state-level item) are required because you are culling from a limited resource (which the state must manage) and to ensure that requirements for bag limits, minimum weights, sex, etc. are met.
It's not the $5, it's having to ask permission to conduct a hobby in my own back yard or at a club flying field. Most golf balls go higher and further than our aircraft. Or the annual Pumpkin Chunkin' event where 10-20 pound pumpkins are hurled as far as a mile and reach altitudes of over a thousand feet.
Not to mention many of the other potential downsides that have been discussed above -- while not contributing one iota to eliminating the problem of nimrods who buy an off-the-shelf quad and fly near airports.
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All it will take is one (real or fabricated) terrorist incident in which an RC aircraft is involved, and every registered drone owner/operator will be in the bulls-eye. It will happen - mark my words.
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All it does is penalize those who fly responsibly and know the rules.
Any muppet that flies stupidly deserves all they get and will not bother registering in any case.
Hope we do not get the same uninformed draconian measures over in UK.
What we need is better education for new flyers not ineffectual nanny state rules dreamed up by some people with no experience and who cannot bother consulting with those that do..
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http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/amagov/2015/12/14/ama-reacts-to-dot-uas-registration-rule/
“The Special Rule for Model Aircraft in the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 clearly states that the FAA is prohibited from promulgating any new rules for recreational users operating within the safety guidelines of a community-based organization (CBO). Meanwhile, the FAA’s contention that model aircraft should be considered aircraft is currently the subject of pending litigation. Congress by no means intended to grant a free pass to flyers within this system. Instead, it left risk mitigation and the development of appropriate safety guidelines to organizations like AMA."
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http://www.tc.gc.ca/media/documents/ca-standards/Info_graphic_-_Flying_an_umanned_aircraft_-_Find_out_if_you_need_permission_from_TC.pdf
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I have gone through the process of becoming approved by Transport Canada (equivalent to FAA) for UAS flight for business purposes and talking to the transport Canada inspector who stated that for me getting a special flight permit is not making it safer out there because there are still hundreds out there in the air they don't know about. They are only putting extra hurtles for those who are already doing things correctly and know the rules and abide by them.
I think there is a big difference between model aircraft hobbyists and those that go down to Best Buy or get a drone for Christmas. Most people are just using the drones as a long selfie stick and have no idea of the proper use of this equipment.
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From http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/
Q. If I let someone borrow my drone do I have to give them the Certificate of Registration?
A. Yes, anyone who operates your drone must have the Certificate of Aircraft Registration in their possession. You can give them a paper copy, email it to them, or they can show it electronically from the registration website.
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http://www.faa.gov/uas/publications/model_aircraft_operators/assets/media/model-aircraft-infographic.pdf
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Thanks Austin for the article !
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As the "Dude" says, "give 'em the money man, we're into this cheap." (as he and his friends are being robbed)
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Look at it this way. If any over-zealous member of the public or any official questions my right to fly my plane, I now have the full justification of the FAA. The FAA! As soon as I register, I will have a Certificate from the FAA that says I am a registered RC pilot! The general public does not know who the AMA is. (American Music Association? American Motorcycle Association?) But the FAA! they all know that. Some of you can go ahead and complain, but I am going to register as soon as I can to get my RC pilots license from the FAA for free.
Happy flying!
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R.A. "Bob" Hoover
Robin Fleming
That said I will, like all law abiding sheep, register because I am under threat of the full weight and impact of the US Government but the reality is that operating anything on my property should never be subject to any governmental regulation when it comes to registration. There are already many public endangerment laws on the books. This is simply a power grab that ignores basic airspace rules and uses the canard of the few who violate the law to penalize the majority.
In a free nation, an individual suffers the penalty for their behavior and the group is free to go about its business unmolested...
We have come a long way from 1776...
Just saying... ...it's a stupid rule that will NOT prevent abusive and inconsiderate people from engaging in bad behavior. So I want to fly over the Super Bowl or bust a TFR with a quad? I buy a mobius, build my own registered quad and do it. If it falls out of the sky I walk away and take the $150.00 loss without penalty. If I get it back I get it back. Criminals and societally reckless people do not obey laws. So in the end this is a stupid, feckless and infringing law that will end up hurting the RC industry and penalizing people who have done nothing wrong short of flying in their yards.
You think once local law enforcement figures out what it can make in penalty sharing it won't be "ramp checking" every father and son playing with a foamy in their front yard? You are woefully naive about how things actually work...
Enthusiasts will know about the law and register, newbies will not be clear on it or will see registration and as a barrier to entry and just say screw it, they already have too much on me, no more and walk away. It's happened in the GA industry in this nation. The price of entry is just too high now so only a certain niche of fanatics even try to fly their own airplanes. In contrast to when I was a kid where every town had a small FBO and a flight instructor and you could learn to fly.
Just watch, it's just the beginning. FT, you bettered lawyer up about liability on your videos as well because you could be construed to be promoting illegal behavior without full disclosure unless you carefully craft a message in every video... ...just saying...
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As far as the question whether LEO's will be enforcing the new law; LEO's enforce the city/county laws. They have no jurisdiction to enforce state & federal laws unless I'm seriously mistaken. (not an attorney so it's possible). So I guess we'll be seeing FFA / DOT "Nazi's" patrolling the flying fields? More than likely the AMA will put the burden of enforcement on the local RC clubs. "You can't join the AMA or fly at our fields' unless you are registered"............
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do you think he will leave us alone when there is a story and fear to help get votes?
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Misinformation was everywhere, A series of 'Near misses' reported by pilots that in quiet moments without microphone admit that cant tell the difference between a bird and a baseball or a kids balloon and those speeds with the activity going one around them. Rumors about all planes registered, toy drones no exception, $5 a piece for each, no provision of home builds, visions of lining up at a Motor Vehicle-like government office (Number 57, serving number 57...).
The reality? Not so bad. A one time free website to get your information, then a tag that covers all the planes you have and may buy! Whew thought it was going to be bad! What was all the fuss?
In the end, it's another fleece program and revenue stream for government. A tax on all you fly Cheap at first, free even, but after three years you have to pay again. By then, if it's still $5 I'll be shocked.
This was a whole lot of fussing and jawing and AMA staff time, pilot stress and talk and worry just because the government saw an opportunity to impose a new tax on us. Has to be that, because anyone actually believing it will have an effect on the real problem we face with drones, an individual or group using one bought or home build for deliberate misuse, must have serious reality issues.
However, and of course, every deliberate misuse, or equipment fail, or pilot error that resuts in a drone in a neighors tree, or yard, or worse will me a collective 'Our fault' in media and repose. Government being 'forced' to respond by public pressure (media) will implement pilot training requirements, add individual certifications, and individual model traking. To pay for it, the cost and frequency of renewal payment will nessesarily increase. Why should this be any different than any other government involvement in normal our everyday life?
/PESIMISTIC RANT
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I too am livid over this... it's a constitutional infringement in that the FAA is making laws, restricting already accepted use of FPV technologies for example, and forcing "registration". And just how is this educational? It is already been proven this can and is safely applied and self-monitored within the community, without the need of Federal oversight. There will always be exceptions, but requirements and restrictions placed on the majority is clearly an infringement of our constitutional rights, as is making laws by regulation, without the approval of the Congress of the United States. Further, it seems to me, the AMA's only interest has been in furthering it's own agenda, and not very effective at truly representing it's membership. With that being said, what can be done. Are there any representatives of the people, for the people, out truly representing the people? If you know of any, please, share that information with all of us! I'm sure too that there will be a significant impact on the marketing, sales and suppliers of the hobby. It is almost impossible to find a true "hobby shop" in my town... there is actually only one. And that is about 30 miles from me... I don't see Radio Shack around much any more, and the last time i was in one, it seems they mostly sell only phones and batteries... I was surprised however to see Arduino products on the shelf... but alas, they weren't selling any... sad, so very sad... Try buying replacement parts, or accessories (i.e. batteries) at one of the retailers who do care "quads"! Well, as the song goes... "All Things Must Pass". Hopefully this too will...
btw - please, if I've said anything of offend anyone, or if it is determined this post or comment needs to be removed, let me know!
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To those of you who want say that this is pointless and that the FAA will not listen to us, Let me remind you that this is the United States of America, a country run by the PEOPLE, not run by the FAA. Lets direct our voice to the government not only to each other. I will be doing my part to make my voice heard, I encourage ALL model aircraft hobbyist to do the same!
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I fly with the fogg busters , I am AMA registered, a past student pilot , education is the key, teaching responsible and safety in flight is what is needed.
many advances in aviation come from the imagination of us modelers of AUS's
I appose docket number FAA-2015-7396
to www.gov and search: FAA-2015-7396
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This has probably already been posted but I'm doing so again. Page 32 pinpoints the recommendation by the Task Force of affixing the registration number to the aircraft. Not sure if the recommendation will be the part of the new law or not. I'm the furthest from a pro at reading and understanding this stuff! http://www.faa.gov/news/updates/media/20151213_IFR.pdf
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R/C flying is educational and inspires imagination. One thing we do NOT have enough of in the U.S. is college students is engineering, physics, or sciences in general. If we want to make a case to our elected officials, that is a strong one. Saying, "I'm a hobbiest and this violates my rights," is not going to compete with somebody claiming that someone was spying on them with a drone. The message I get from Flitetest is that flying R/C aircraft is educational and inspires imagination. That is the message to take to lawmakers. This rule inhibits that education and stiffles imagination. And you guys that are flying over the neighborhood looking for chicks sunbathing, and you know who you are, knock it off!
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30,000+ views so far on this article and only 145 supporters have signed the change.org petition. Come on guys if you do not want government control in our hobby, sign the petition so it can be forwarded to the appropriate people to get this thing pulled and re-done correctly. Join me and the 144 other supporters in having this pulled.
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Tell them to insert as the lead headline on their website.
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Congress passed Code Section 336 titled FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012. Section 336 specifically stated the “FAA may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding model aircraft if 1) flown for hobby or recreation; 2)aircraft is operated in accordance with a community-based and nationwide set of safety guidelines; and 3) the aircraft does not exceed 55 lbs...”.
When the Task Force meeting convened, the FAA opened by informing all participants that the assumption moving forward was that the FAA HAD THE AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE REGISTRATION and the SPECIAL RULE FOR MODEL AIRCRAFT WOULD NOT BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, thereby shutting down AMA's argument at the beginning. AMA should have walked out of the meeting and filed an injunction to stop the FAA from moving forward with the regulations, and notify Congress of the FAA's intent.
The FAA from the outset knew they were regulating CONTRARY TO CONGRESS' INTENT to exempt hobby model aircraft.
Instead of caving in like a bunch of sheep, we need to fight back against this unlawful action.
We need to inform Congress that we are a significant industry, which generates and pays taxes, we vote, and we are one voice.
I would incourage all modellers to not register – by registering, you are legitimizing the FAA with the power to rule over us. By registering, you are entering into a contract with the FAA, and thereby opening the door for more rule making.
Do not be fooled by the 30 day free, then $5 registration fee. Next time it could be $50, then $250, then they announce that there are not enough modellers for this program, and exclude hobby flying all together. Later they may require that we register every model, every component, and require vendors to establish registration prior to selling you a servo, esc etc., putting the burden on the vendors to track sales and maintain a federally accessible database.This will put many vendor's out of business.
This action by the FAA is nothing more than to create a greater need for the FAA and increase their taxpayer funded budget.
Unfortunately, the AMA did not represent its 185,000 members by walking out of the task force meeting, instead they taught the FAA how to regulate the hobby (e.g. weight restrictions, numbers inside of our 'toy' airplanes.)
I suggest that modellers should NOT attend the AMA expo, should cancel their AMA membership (or ask for a refund if already renewed), and any lifetime members ask for a refund of their contribution, and show the AMA that we are a force, and we do not accept the AMA's failure to protect our rights. Isn't that why we joined the AMA? We relied on the AMA to protect our hobby, and we could have accomplished more without them. Did you stop to think why the AMA offered an early discount for renewal, before the FAA released their regulations? Coincidence in timing? I think not.
If the FAA registration website begins operation on 12/21/15, that means they have been working on it for a while, and the AMA has been misleading its members regarding their working with the FAA to protect our right to fly.
If no one registers, the FAA rule making will fail, just like obamacare is failing.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2015/12/18/faa-finally-admits-names-and-home-addresses-in-drone-registry-will-be-publicly-available/
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At approximately 8:05AM PST I attempted to register myself with my Scratch build 250 quad with parts from Hobbyking, at the following site (http://www.federaldroneregistration.com/),
Which I had a hard time finding because the regular links that have been provided, do not link you to what seems to be the correct site/form. When I got to the part where it says "SAVE AND CHECKOUT".
The next page stated that there would be a $24.99 fee for a single drone. I am not sure if there will a higher fee if people have multiple aircraft. I was not asked for any Payment information at this/that point. But, now my name, address, email, and phone number are listed. in this database.
The picture of the copter/fee text apparently takes you to where you can enter the payment information. I did not continue on from this point.
So now I think that we are possibly going to be victims of Bait/Switch.
(Wondering what to do next)
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You were always required to put your name and contact info on your UAV and a number is easier so I really don't understand the big stink.
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