Surviving Dads with Drones

by Red20RC | January 6, 2015 | (17) Posted in Tips

It was inevitable that a DJI Phantom would turn up in my local park. But do these “Dads with Drones” deserve our scorn or our help?

Somewhere in Australia. December 30, 2014…

Given that DJI Global chose to advertise their flagship product as “The must have gadget for 2014“, it was obvious that sooner or later an overpriced pile of plastic would turn up in my local park. Yesterday was that day.

I had taken the kids for a scooter session when I saw your average middle-aged dad walking across the grass carrying a DJI Phantom. It was so new that it even still had the label hanging off the transmitter. My heart sank. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a big park and I’ve flown there before but I just knew what was coming next.

Done dad walked into the middle of the grass (a fair distance from other walkers, joggers, dogs etc.) and powered up his “gadget”. It hopped smartly into the air, hovered for a little bit (whilst I guess he switched to GPS mode), and then shot up to about 100ft. With a jolt it tipped forward and shot off down the park, stopped pirouetted in the air then came back. This time it sped over drone dad’s head and over a family having a picnic. This carried on for the full 25 minute battery life before he landed and walked away.

My biggest concerns were that:

  • Despite the fact the multirotor appeared to be in control, the way it was jerking around and then righting itself suggests drone dad was flying in GPS mode and simply pushing the sticks around. I didn’t see any GPS calibration happen before the flight and if something had gone wrong I very much doubt he would have been able to fly it manually.
  • Whilst he tried to maintain some distance between him and the public, drone dad obviously has no idea of the rules.
  • I also had my dog with me (in an off-leash park). Anyone who has watched some Red20RC videos will know that he doesn’t really like multirotors. He went berserk and ran off to try and catch the thing. With two small children in tow (that I didn’t want anywhere near drone dad) I just had to hope Floyd didn’t bite the chap.

Surviving Dads with Drones

AliShanMaoBy the time I got home I was hot, had a headache from shouting at the dog, and was livid. How dare this twerp fly his Christmas present in my local park? He wasn’t even wearing the right t-shirt or fiddling knowledgeably with the knobs on his transmitter – heck it isn’t even a proper transmitter anyway. It looks more like the alien from Close Encounters.

My darling bride sat and listened patiently (with that glazed look she gets) as I pointed out everything that was wrong with DJI Global and their marketing responsibilities. Then she asked a simple question…

“So what’s the solution then?”

I closed my mouth for a while and thought. Dads with Drones are putting the future of the sport we love at risk – in that there is no doubt. But should we just sit there, all aloof and superior because we built our multirotors, or do we do something about it?

When you look at the rules, the way I fly my miniquad sometimes is just as naughty in the eyes of CASA/CAA/FAA as what drone dad was doing.

FPV Racing

Licensing/Registration

Those that fly for profit have been screaming for licensing and tighter regulation. They want every one who isn’t a member of the club out of the sky so they can monopolize the market and make more money. Here in Australia, the new sub-2kg laws promised by CASA in September still haven’t come into effect because these professional groups are doing everything in their power to stop them. Sadly what happens at the commercial end of the industry will soon have an effect on the hobby.

Licensing and registration isn’t the answer. CASA freely admits they simply can’t police the number or use of small drones such as the Phantom in Australia so the whole idea is pretty pointless anyway.

Flying Clubs/Authorized flying sites

5 years ago, most RC flying was done at your local MAAA affiliated club (our governing body in Australia). More recently though, with the introduction of foam “parkflyers” and multirotors we are seeing more and more new pilots choosing to go it alone and fly in places like the local park, sports oval, or reserve.

Of course, club flying has it’s advantages:

  • It’s a safe environment in which to learn.
  • You are covered by insurance.
  • There are other more experienced pilots there to help.
  • You get to share the fun with others and learn new things.

The problem is, and this is especially true with miniquads and aerial photography:

  • Sometimes you want to fly where there are obstacles etc.
  • You don’t always want to film/photograph the same paddock out in the bush.
  • A lot of clubs still don’t like/allow multirotors and FPV.
  • Club membership can be expensive (especially if you just spent $2000 on a pile of plastic).

I would urge every drone dad to find and join a local multirotor friendly club. Even if it is just to test out new equipment and practice flying properly.

You and Me (The Mutirotor Community)

FPV FriendsAs much as I hate to admit it. Grinding my teeth and swearing under my breath at drone dad wasn’t the way to react. He doesn’t know any better and by pushing him away I’m not going to improve his flying skills. I’m also not going to stop anyone with more credit than sense going out and buying a DJI Phantom and taking it to the park, beach, sports oval etc.

The only way we are going to protect our obsession is to take these newbies under our wings (excuse the pun) and try to steer them down the path to multirotor nirvana. So next time you see a drone dad down the park:

  • Wait till he lands then go and say “hi”. Explain that you are also a multirotor pilot.
  • Admire his purchase (yes, even if it hurts and you just want to stamp on it).
  • Ask him if he understands the rules governing the use of multirotors in public places. Just don’t do it with the accusatory face we all get sometimes.
  • Ask if he needs any help learning to fly without GPS mode switched on. (Incidentally, self-leveling/angle/horizon is okay in my book. We don’t all need to be hardcore “rate or nothing” pilots).
  • Explain the situation with “the man” trying to ban the hobby or regulate it to the point of extinction. Explain how “flyaways” and crashes into people or property are not good for the sport.
  • Be nice!

There will always be those who, because they read the pamphlet or watched the YouTube video, think they know it all and will shun your offer of friendship. To those ignorant people I say “I hope your failsafe kicks in and your toy helicopter crashes itself into the nearest tree or heads out to sea on its way back to China!

A final word to DJI Global

broken dji phantomDear DJI Global,

You are probably one of the largest, and most well-known multirotor manufacturers on the planet. Your advances in technology have shaped and led the industry for quite some time.

So for pity sake please stop marketing your products as “gadgets” and “toys” – they are AIRCRAFT!

I urge DJI Global and their resellers to accept some responsibility for their products before they spoil it for everyone. Yes I know I could go to Bunnings (a bit like Home Depot) now and buy a chainsaw but it won’t have been sold to me as a “must have gadget”.

Rant over…


Photo credits:

  • Ali Shan Mao: A "real" FPV pilot!
  • Highmark Adventures: FPV Quad Racing
  • www.visual-aerials.com: Sharing FPV with friends
  • The Verge: Broken DJI Phantom

This article was reproduced from www.red20rc.org where it was first published on Dec 31st 2014. Take a look at the site for other interesting content etc.

COMMENTS

tctmonkey on January 6, 2015
Spot on, I am a rather new multirotor pilot with regrettably weak flying skills. Our local field doesn't like electrics,multirotors or FPV so It isn't always that easy to fly at the field. Recently I saw Dad flying his drone over his daughters soccer match [ actually over the pitch while the match was in progress ], the match was stopped, he and his daughter were escorted from the tournament and he was banned from the remainder of the tourney. DJI seams to always be in the center of near misses or privacy invasion you would think that to protect their sales they would protect the hobby.
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scarredmadman on January 7, 2015
is that somewhere in Australia be Warner's bay lake Macquarie ;)
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Red20RC on January 7, 2015
It is!
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scarredmadman on January 7, 2015
I completely agree and have the same feeling about the DJI invasion and i really love how you have gone about this issue so thank you and also i also have had to deal with the DJI dad in these past few weeks after Christmas so it just warms my heart to know that someone else has a deep of a passion to stomp on DJI phantoms just as i do. Thanks Red20RC ill have to meet you around the beautiful place we live sometime.
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Andre Meyer on January 7, 2015
I agree 100% with all you said. I always have a rant when you hear some negative story in the media about incidents with multi rotors or as they would call them drones. The evil word "Drone" I prefer multi rotor makes it sound less negative and frighting. The worst one lately was the person crashing into a cop at the Sydney siege. Terrible for the hobby.

There is one thing that I do not feel so enthusiastic about and that is the whole club flying experience. I am lucky to live on a farm and have all the space I want but if I want to join my local club it will be in excess of $300. Hell I can build a aircraft for that! I am not someone that has oodles of cash laying around so if I have to make a choice between club or equipment well lets just say that I love my toys. The next issue is our local club seems to frown upon smaller aircraft that is not gas powered and with the money floating around among cashed up bogans its hard to really enjoy the whole flight experience. I do agree that there would be much to learn from experienced pilots if they bother to help. The small electric just does not seem to be as precious as the 2m+ behemoth of a gas craft. I have found that fiddling around by myself I am learning so much more at the moment. I would like to ad that I can imagine it will be hard for someone living in a metropolitan area to find a safe flying field apart from a club with a filed.I have recently been faced with the problem of a friends child that wanted to get into the hobby but once again they do not have the cash to splash on the Club. What I am trying to say is that yes clubs could be great but there are allot of people that really try their best to stay within guidelines and take the hobby seriously but there are the other side, the side where cash is not a problem and these sort of pilots try it once or twice because its the cool thing to do. They usually end up crashing into people and they are going to ruin this hobby for us and forcing the regulatory body's to enforce rules and guidelines. Once this happen there would be allot of us that would not be able to afford this hobby and loose out on a great past time.

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TriTriAgain on January 7, 2015
WOW, Thank you so much for voicing the thoughts of hundreds if not thousands! This is the heart of the issue and I fully support what you said.
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samick on January 9, 2015
Ok, so this question has to make me a drone dad but;

whats the difference between gps mode and auto level? i fly on flip 1.5 so obviously i dont have gps but is position hold really that much of a crutch compared to auto level?
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Red20RC on January 9, 2015
Hi Samick,

Thanks for the comment and that's a great question! (which I will do my best to answer clearly)

When you setup a flight-controller you calibrate the sensors to tell it what level is. Auto-level is when the flight-controller tries to maintain this balance. Every time you upset it by moving the stick it will try to return the copter to level as soon as you release the input.

With GPS Hold the flight controller, in addition to using auto-level, locks its position in three-dimensional space using GPS satellites. It can tell not only what level is but also where it is and how high it is. When a multirotor is in GPS hold it will try to stay in one spot in 3D space. Even if the wind is blowing it away it will fight against it by controlling its own flight to maintain this position.
As the "operator" all you need to do to move it is push the sticks. If the Phantom works on the same principle as "Simple" mode (I think it is) on the APM then you don't even have to orientate yourself. Push the stick forward it goes away from you, pull back and it comes back, left is left, right is right, throttle up is gain altitude at a set rate, down is the opposite and so on - it doesn't matter which way the nose is pointing it works all that out for you.

So you see why it is a problem when a new DJI Phantom owner thinks he is a hotshot pilot because he can push the sticks around in GPS mode? if something goes wrong and GPS mode fails, how is he going to control the aircraft in the real world when he needs to orientate himself, control the throttle to maintain altitude and battle the elements?

I hope that explains it!

Cheers,
Mike
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Hollywood on January 10, 2015
I don't get it. Maybe Australia is a little bit different than the US. If i purchase a multi-rotor aircraft, why would I allow a fellow citizen to tell me where, how, and when to fly? Additionally, I have watched youtube videos claiming that the clubs down in that area have banned people from flying. XJet channel is an example. Not everyone wants to pay money to join a club, and then be told how to fly. As long as the "drone dad" was not putting anyone in immediate danger , leave the guy to have fun.
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Red20RC on January 10, 2015
Give that I have already mentioned in this instance he flew the multirotor "over a family having a picnic" suggests you either didn't read the article or didn't get it.

I actually think the RC hobby in general is moving away from the club environment because it is generally to expensive and to regulated to fly in a many clubs. XJet (Bruce Simpson) is in New Zealand not Australia, which is a bit like you saying that obviously the US does something because that's what they do in Canada.

I think everybody should be allowed to enjoy their hobby in the way they want to BUT if they are putting someone else in danger and thereby threatening our hobby then there needs to be some kind of intervention.

Going back to the first sentence in this reply. What do you constitute as dangerous? Or will it only become a problem for you when it's your child that is hit in the face with 1.2kg of spinning propellers?
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gr1999 on January 11, 2015
I have actually been hit my my own quadcopter while it was running so i can tell you how much it hurts and how much blood there was when it hit me. This was because i forgot to check one connection to the motors before flying and it broke midlight while hovering in front of me. Now i have been flying for a while and the only reason it didnt hurt others is because i knew not to fly near other people. Now imagine what would happen if an inexperienced pilot that doesnt know how to maintain his aircraft flies above a busy area such as a park or a city and something goes wrong while he is flying as 100ft or so. By educating these people and explaining the rules to them, we activel avoid these types of incidents and makes the entire hobby better for everybody.
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Red20RC on January 11, 2015
I've never hit myself with a quad but I've had a gas engine backfire and catch me once or twice so I agree - it flippin' hurts!

Thanks for the comment.
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Andre Meyer on January 11, 2015
Just search drone wedding crashes or something similar and see what comes up. You might be amassed how easy it is to get injured. Have fun but play safe.

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F14 pilot on January 12, 2015
I call DJI Phantoms "FPV Cofins" (The killer of the hobby!)
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Red20RC on January 13, 2015
I think the saying goes "Guns don't kill people - people with guns kill people"! As much as I hate to admit it the entire blame can't be laid on the DJI Phantom. If DJI hadn't come up with the Phantom then someone else would have. I do have a problem with their marketing direction but it's up to us to try to counter that.
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fishmanpuffer on February 4, 2015
Well said. People kill people with cars so do we banned all car. I don't think it DJI intension when they build it was for people to go out and fly it carelessly.They only make the product and cant control what people do with it so i agree with Red20 rc for the most part
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Ano Pilot on January 13, 2015
Well let's see... I am a dad, check, I have a DJI Phantom 1.1, check, I fly it FPV, check, BUT... I don't fly it anywhere near to people and follow all the rules 'most' of the time. I would have to thank DJI for helping to get me back into the hobby and I now have about 15 other aircraft to keep it company, mostly fixed wing. Horizon Hobby have made a killing from me. I love Flight Test. Regardless of the aircraft flown, it is idiocy that is problem isn't it?
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Red20RC on January 13, 2015
Thanks for the comment and yes! (see my reply to the comment above).
In fact, I don't think it is even idiocy, it's just ignorance.
When it's so easy to just take off and switch to a flight mode that does all the work for you, what newbie wouldn't do that? The problems come when that person then believes they are an "expert" pilot (because the amazing tech is making it so easy) and does something stupid.

"Drone Dad" saw the same thing in these little aircraft as we all did and I don't think he should be pushed away just because of the craft he chose. That's why I think we need to take the opposite approach and welcome him to the fold. One more happy and safe FPV pilot makes us stronger as a hobby surely?

Keep flying safe and following the rules (most of the time!)
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rideacarr on January 15, 2015
What about "kids with drones"? I'm a teen, and have been flying planes and quads for over a year. I hate it when I see some kid with a brand new quadcopter, and crashes it on his/hers first flight.
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Red20RC on January 15, 2015
So do I, but only because I want to see him get good at it not give up on the first try...
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julezflies on January 15, 2015
I must say I agree very much with this article- especially the part about the irksomeness of it all.

I've got a kid at the school I go to who got a DJI as a holiday present, who now acts as if he's a fully fledged and knowledgeable hobbyist. I know it's an unfair connection to make that any DJI flier is a douche, but I do believe that it's going to have a substantial impact on the hobby the way that most of us know it. DJI's at the local clubs, people who fly FPV from their TX-based display screens, etc.

I think it's wonderful to try and envelop them and show them that there is a large hobby community out there that they've only just entered- and can continue to grow into. The only way that we're going to keep some semblance of the hobby intact is by accepting and educating 'drone dads', because the FAA and like agencies don't care about whether the pilots who crash are socially accepted by the community- they just see aircraft, transmitters, and accidents waiting to happen.

Thanks for the article, good read.
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Red20RC on January 15, 2015
Thanks for the comment!
Strangely I don't blame the DJI Phantom for the problem. It is just more accessible to those who don't read all the blogs, visit the sites etc. If it wasn't the DJI it would be something else. (still don't like it though).
I just want to see them flown well and safely.
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Shufty on January 15, 2015
It's willful ignorance in my opinion.

RC is still a pretty niche technical hobby.

Most of us who got into the hobby before the Phantom had to learn the hard way (building things from scratch) that encouraged us to have a better underlying understanding of the components involved (that didnt include fancy thing things like GPS) and we were forced to learn to fly in rate or basic stability mode.

My main problem with the RTF of the shelf products is that they basically short circuit that process. To me the technology is not at the point where Johny public can just pick it up with zero knowledge and be successful (as it's still a technical hobby). It's certainly the way it's going, but it's just not there yet.

I just don't want it to kill my hobby through accidents and subsequent regulation in the process.
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Shufty on January 15, 2015
Of course is Johnny public buys an RTF, but is keen to actually learn about the hobby and the technology I certainly encourage that!
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Red20RC on January 15, 2015
Well said. It's the negative attitudes that will kill the hobby. That's why we have to encourage everyone to fly safe and have fun.
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Shufty on January 19, 2015
Yep, I've certainly been guilty of the negative attitudes towards some of these guys. It just hurts my brain when they want to take pretty pictures but they don't want to put any effort into learning anything about the hobby :(
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le3dmax on January 16, 2015
At least he was flying in a park far from other people. What upsets me is people flying over crowded areas, between buildings, closer to airports and etc.
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Red20RC on January 17, 2015
That is very true! It was obvious that this chap in particular was trying to do the right thing in his choice of flying location. It's a nice park after all with plenty of open space.

Thanks for the comment.
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tffmedia on January 17, 2015
Very Offended

i have been flying planes both spark and gas for many years now. i find it some annoying that once i bought a phantom vision 2 i am now tard with the `o he is a drone dad`.
please show me a safer way to learn how to fly a multi rotor then one of these devices. they give you the ability to start in gps mode then advance onto atti mode and then only manual mode.

is it better to make everyone start in manual mode and crash there new quad in their local part and possibly hurt someone or is it better to at least give the new beginner a chance to learn the hobby.

all new `drone dads` arnt out there to film their neighbours sun baking or break rules. most of the new pilots don't even know what they are seeing on their phone when they are flying, most of them can't even take their eyes off the drone for risk of hitting something.

maybe all of you na sayers might actually use this as a way of showing joe average that this is a great way of moving up in the hobby instead of trying to bad mouth and push your own agenda. planes and heli`s are fun but there is nothing from stoping anyone from mounting a FPV cam on any device and flying it over any field.

the attack on DJI devices is strange when the largest seller of remote drones is parrot. maybe this discussion has an agenda. maybe you are all just scared that the old spark and glow is dying.

anyway i will be flying my phantom with love and my planes to.

jason
melbourne australia
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Red20RC on January 17, 2015
Thank you for your comment Jason.

I am assuming you either didn't read the article or didn't understand some of the content.

Okay, firstly you should probably go and read the follow up article for a little more explanation and information about where this came from.

Secondly, I am also a "drone dad". Not only that but I am an aeromodeller with nearly 20 years of flying experience. I am a club intructor and a published writer and designer in the UK modelling press. I fly, or have flown, everything from parkflyers to IMAC scale gassers.

I have nothing directly against the DJI Phantom. Yes I don't think pilots develop the same understanding of their machines when they by RTF - but then I didn't build the Cessna 172 I learnt to fly full size in either. Yes I don't agree with DJI marketting the Phantom as a "cool gadget", but then that is just marketing.

Most importantly, at NO POINT during this article did I say anything about using FPV to invade privacy or banning new pilots from the hobby. In fact this article DOES have an agenda. That agenda was that I WAS angry about the guy I saw in the park until I thought about it and then I realised the only way this hobby can grow and survive is if we embrace and include these new pilots and help them to enjoy the sport the way we do.

Can I suggest that you re-read the article (and the follow up) and try to relax a little?
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Drake600 on January 22, 2015
Quick question (from an Aussie fixed wing RC pilot) - is the 30m separation that we're required to maintain from people (and vehicles and buildings) the horizontal separation? I usually try to find empty parks to fly in but they don't always remain that way. I try to maintain awareness of where other people are and modify my pattern to avoid flying directly overhead, but unlike multirotors, fixed wing aircraft rarely fall straight down.
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Red20RC on January 22, 2015
Thanks for the comment!
I believe the 30m rule is horizontal distance. That said I think that came from the MAAA regs and was originally in regard to flying clubs (i.e. distance of flight line from car parking/seating areas) or pubic displays.
Technically I don't think these rules can be applied to park flying and it certainly can't be police. I think as long as you do exactly what you are at the moment then you will be okay. Just try to maintain an awareness of where other park users are and realise that if it gets too busy you may need to land for a while or move to a quieter spot.
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Drake600 on January 22, 2015
Thanks for the reply, I thought that was the case but wasn't sure. As far as the regulations go, common sense and the willingness to move on to a quieter spot go a long way to making our hobby safer and more enjoyable for everyone. Most of the people that wander past where I fly (popular with dog owners and parents with kids on bikes, of which I am both) also avoid going under my flight path until they see me avoiding them. Oh if only common sense was as common as it's name suggests ;)
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Drake600 on January 22, 2015
But I'm still hanging for a dad to come up and ask where I got the plane from ;)
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