Playing with a cheap brushless gimbal : UPDATE No2

by bluefishnz | October 7, 2013 | (16) Posted in Projects

One of the reasons I got hooked in multirotors was to try and take some cool videos and have fun. It has taken me much longer than I though it would learn to fly well, Im still not there, not even close. But every crash and rebuild I learn and try to only repeat the same mistake 2 times. 

After getting the cheap mans gopro, the Mobius key chain camera I started taking videos. The first couple were ok, I spent alot of time finding ways to get rid of the dreaded jello that was showing up and tried a number of differnet DIY systems.

But ultimately I needed a gimbal if I was going to get the shots I really wanted. So after alot of searching I settled on the goodluckbuy one. For the price you cant it bet it. Well not that I have found.

It took about 3.5weeks to arrive and once I had it balanced it worked straight out of the box. Im very happy with the performance. It has survived crashes on to hard surfaces and is very sturdy.

Next I needed to mount it to the 450 quad. I made my own mount out of helicopter landing rails and rubber tubbing. Full details here  The first flights and videos were great I was very happy.

However the extra weight cut into my flght time and with the current setup theres not much I can do. I will have to repurpose part from my other quads to make a dedicated gimbal quad until I settle on a single frame... if i ever do.

 

I also set the pitch of the gimbal up so I could change that from the reciver to get those looking down shots. So what do the videos look like.

 

Well first here are a couple I did with out the gimbal. This is the very first video with the mobius mounted on top of the quad.

 

 

The next one was using the following mounting system. This had the Mobius camera mounted upside down. I fliped the video post production.

 Heres the video

 

 

The following video was done with gimbal mounted as shown at the top of the article.

I was pretty happy with the results ... besides the crash and my crappy flying.  

All videos are done buy line of sight.

To watch videos in full HD flick over to Vimeo.

 

UPDATE 1

Over the weekend I did some modding of the gimbal to reduce weight and also make it horizontally mounted not vertically 

First step was to completely strip the gimbal down and then work out the simplest way to mount everything. This was done with a simple flat strip of alloy bent to 90 degrees. I drill out the holes required for mounting using the old parts as templates.

The hardest part was to make sure that the new design was balanced in both the pitch and roll axis

The left over bits after the mod

 

Next I just made a simple right angle to mount the new gimbal setup to the original rubber isolated mount. This allows for easy installation to any number of quads. I just zip-tied it to the frame. I did not have to do any reprogramming or updating of the settings for this to work. I still dont know what software I would use to do this anyway so that was lucky.

 

I also wired up both pitch and roll to the reciver so I can adjust both axis.

Here is a small video that was taken at dusk using the newly completed setup.

 

 

UPDATE 2

After using the gimbal I decided that I needed to try and reduce some more weight and improve the mounting system that I was using. The first thing I did was use some of the fibreglass plates I had made to replace the alloy plates that housed the controller that the gimbal was mounted off. These were longer and had more room to place the controller card in and also move some of the weight closer to the CG. I also used a hole saw to make some viewing windows and to also reduce the weight.

I first tried the rubber isolators that came with the gimbal but in some test flights I was still getting jello, I then swapped them for some that I got off HobbyKing, these were softer and as you can see from the shot below the weight of the gimbal squashes the front one alittle, But they completely removed jello from the video.

 

The top plate holds the gimbal and the contoller is mounted to the bottom plate. The bottom plate is then bolted to the frame using nylon 6mm spacers.

 

 

Below are the measurements of the custom mount made from 20x2mm alloy the I made, the tricky bit was the motor mounting holes and getting the weight balance right. I used the old mounting systems as a template to get the mounting holes correct. 

COMMENTS

Hilbert on October 11, 2013
Thanks for the searching for the gimbal :-D
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LokaDesign on October 11, 2013
Keep up the good work, nice article! I am still looking for the perfect gimbal to fit my tricopters. Maybe I ll mount a chicken onto it hehe ;)
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rifted on October 18, 2013
try the simple gimbal it might work for you!
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1793759

Fly Safe!
Ed
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djentangle on October 12, 2013
Looks good, I think I might switch out Dave's tricopter camera mount for this one, I want to be able to angle it down. keep the awesome articles coming..
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bimo on October 12, 2013
Some people experienced difficulties in setting up the gimbal [based on the link you provided].
Did you have such difficulties?
Was it simple plug and play?
Please elaborate on your experience.
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bluefishnz on October 13, 2013
I can only go on my experience, and as mentioned in the article it worked right out of the box. Im new to gimbals but the simple stuff to remember is that it wont work with out the camera / correct weight on the gimbal so that its balanced, both in the pitch and roll axis.
The only time I had issues was when I was mounting the Mobius camera it got the balance wrong and it didn't initialise properly.

I have not tried adjusting with software / firmware as its working great at the moment.
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rifted on October 18, 2013
and that might be why it work the first time? because he only balance it and test without any thing else? lol
Fly Safe!
Ed
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ghostrider03z on October 14, 2013
It pretty much to the point where even chinese people cant make a brushless gimbal bad haha. Great work.
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bimo on October 16, 2013
Are you able to stream from the Mobius key chain camera?
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bluefishnz on October 16, 2013
Yes, check out this review.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wmIyD1fM4M

It covers all its capabilities. You just need to purchase an additional cable that splits out the usb interface to servo plugs.
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rifted on October 18, 2013
Hey great work and nice way to go "Simple" but with a gimbal that fits and worked out for you! the shoots looks amazing and seems like you will be able to work it out and improve your quad! Good luck and great to see you have a little helper that likes to walk with you while you test your copter!
Fly Safe!
Ed
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LokaDesign on October 18, 2013
I like that one!!!
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niteclicks on October 23, 2013
Well done. I have the same gimbal and camera. How much weight did you save and do you have the dimensions of the arms you made ?
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bluefishnz on October 24, 2013
I have added an update No2 with some shots of the arm I made with a ruler in the photos. I do not know how much weight I have saved overall as I dont have scales.
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niteclicks on October 24, 2013
Thanks, next rainy day I'll will try to do this and get the weights and report back.
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colorex on November 1, 2013
WOW this is a great deal for the money. I want to buy something like this on the cheap, can't afford fancy GoPro's or gimbals. Anyway I would use a small anycopter hexacopter instead which I have also not built yet, still in funding phase. I do have FPV gear.
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Gurbanator on November 10, 2013
Wow really inspirational, and as a new pilot myself, looking to follow your lead. Just one question that I can't find the answer to anywhere, do I need to assign a channel to the gimbal for it to operate, or will it work on its own? Cheers :)
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bluefishnz on November 10, 2013
Thank you, in normal operation the gimbal does not need to have any cables going to the receiver or transmitter channel assignment.

If however you want to be able to adjust the pitch / role positions of the camera you will need to wire up from the receiver to the input pins on you particular gimbal and then assign those channels to the appropriate switchs on our transmitter. I just used a single wire to carry single from the receiver to the gimbal controller board. In the photos above they are the green & blue wires (photo 5 from the bottom). You can either do both axis or just a single one.
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Gurbanator on November 10, 2013
Great! cant wait to get the gimbal and use it on my H quad :) Thanks for the response.
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Leslie Newhouse on May 24, 2014
Anyone have experience just wiring the Pixhawk board directly to the gimbal? The flight planner setup sure would make it simple. I had a simple "pitch only" gimbal setup that worked well with the Pixhawk. My goal at that time was to simply adjust the pitch as the quad moved forward. It worked fine for that, but now I'm trying to compensate for wind bobble on both axis's. I wonder if the Pixhawk would respond fast enough.
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Helijatek on August 2, 2014
hi,
very helpful article! how much was the weight reduction?
i just ordered the same gimbal, but shocked that it is 270 g plus the gopro.
thanks.
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bluefishnz on August 2, 2014
Helijatek
Im sorry I cant tell you as this was a while ago and no long have this setup.
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Playing with a cheap brushless gimbal : UPDATE No2